See 'graduate' organisation list at end of the article

Icke newsletter 18th March

COMMON PURPOSE ...



... BUT TO WHAT END  ...?

Hello all ...

It's likely that you've never heard of an organisation called Common Purpose, unless that is you are a 'leader' or aspire to be one. I'd never heard of it myself until this week, but from what I have read so far people urgently need to be aware of what it is doing.

It began in the UK in 1988, where it has some 45 offices, but has now taken its sun symbol logo into many countries as Common Purpose International. These include France, Germany,  Ghana,  Hungary,  India,  Ireland,  Netherlands, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Turkey. I understand it is also moving in on the United States. This is its stated goal:

'Common Purpose aims to improve the way society works by expanding the vision, decision making ability and influence of all kinds of leaders. The organisation runs a variety of educational programmes for leaders of all ages, backgrounds and sectors, in order to provide them with the inspiration, information and opportunities they need to change the world.'

From such bland descrïptions come two questions immediately: A common purpose to what end? And 'change the world' in what way exactly? We need answers here because Common Purpose is sweeping through the UK 'training' leaders in all areas of society and if they have a 'common purpose' we ought to know about it.


The organisation now has training programmes in every major town and city in Britain and since 1989 more than 60,000 people have been involved with 20,000 'leaders' completing one or more programmes. These are:

Leaders: Matrix and Focus
Emerging leaders: Navigator
Very young leaders: Your Turn
Leaders who need a local briefing: Profile
National leaders: 20:20
The benefits of Common Purpose training are the following, the sales-pitch tells us:

Participants gain new competencies and become more effective in a diverse and complex world.
Organisations benefit from stronger, more inspired, better-networked managers and senior managers who are closer to the community
Communities benefit from cross-sector understanding and initiatives as different parts of the community learn to operate more effectively together.
Maybe it's just me, but I keep seeing a picture of George Orwell in my mind. He is shaking his head and smiling. Those who complete the courses are called Common Purpose 'graduates' and throughout British society such 'graduates' are at work in government, law enforcement, health and many other areas that affect daily life. So what's it all about and what is going on here?



The official founder and Chief Executive of Common Purpose is Julia Middleton who in her profile at the Common Purpose UK Website (www.commonpurpose.org.uk) fails to mention a rather relevant fact: she is also Head of Personnel Selection in the office of  John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister to Tony Blair. Prescott has been the man with responsibility for creating 'regional assemblies' around the United Kingdom which are part of the plan to abolish nations and bring their powerless 'regions' under the jackboot of the European Union. He has, of course, sought to sell this policy as 'devolving power to the people'.

Prescott has common purpose with Common Purpose and Julia Middleton because they are all committed to the same end. The European superstate is designed to be centrally controlled and managed at lower levels by bland and brain dead 'leaders' who are all programmed to think the same. This is where Common Purpose comes in.



You can always tell an Illuminati front by its desire to centralise everything and that includes the centralisation of thought as diversity is scorned, ridiculed and dismissed in favour of a manufactured 'consensus'; you will also see the Orwellian Newspeak technique in which the organisation claims to stand for what it is seeking to destroy - Common Purpose says its aim is to develop 'diverse' leaders; and Illuminati fronts always tend to use language that actually says nothing when describing what they do.

Political speech writers work for days to produce statements that say nothing because if politicians don't commit themselves to specifics they can hide the real agenda amid the bland and banal. Wilson Bryan Key writes in his book The Age of Manipulation about his experience of writing a speech with others for U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower:

'For thirty-six sleepless hours, three writers turned out draft after draft, reviewed by a White House deputy press secretary who offered terse comments like, "Much too specific!" "Ease up on factual references!" and "Take it back and fuzz it up!" "Fuzz it up," we discovered eventually, meant avoid all clear, factual statements about anything more specific than the time of day ... The speech was endlessly discussed for likely audience reactions, belief and attitude reinforcements, and implied meanings ... Would anyone take the empty rhetoric seriously? The speech read smoothly, but said absolutely nothing about anything. This was precisely what it was intended to say. During audience interviews after the oration, most expressed satisfaction with the great man's words. "Ike really gave it to them!" "He has my vote!" "I like the way he thinks!" "Great speech!''.'

This is how Illuminati organisations operate and when you look at the propaganda for Common Purpose it is bland and without specifics, just as you would expect. So what does this organisation teach its 'leaders'? You wouldn't know by reading its blurb and with its courses costing thousands of pounds it would be expensive to find out. But for sure it will manufacture consensus among its 'diverse' clientele.



This is a key technique of the Illuminati throughout society - to manipulate agreement on a range of issues that then become the norm to be defended from all challenge and true diversity. It has been developed by organisations like the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London which was funded into existence in 1946 with a grant from the Rockfeller Foundation and is one of the Illuminati's global centres for developing the 'hive mind' mentality or 'group and organisational behaviour'. Tavistock works closely with 'public sector' (state-controlled) organisations including the UK government and the European Union and the Orwell-speak on its website could have come straight from the pages of Common Purpose. Or the other way round. Jargon is always the language of the junta:

'Multi-organisational working, cross-boundary working and the global-national-local interface each raise their own set of organisational dynamics which must be surfaced and worked with if collaboration is to be effective. They also raise particular challenges for leadership (and followership). The Institute's approaches to organisational consultancy and leadership development, based on organisational theory and systems psychodynamics are particularly appropriate for helping organisations to address these complex issues.'

Like working out what the hell all that is supposed to mean. What we can see is that Tavistock and Common Purpose share the same pod. Both want to develop 'leaders' and they do it in the same way by manufactured consensus that then stamps out all diversity by using those who have conceded their right to free thought to the group psyche. Mind manipulation techniques like Neuro-linguistic programming or NLP are also employed in the language employed to engineer consensus. NLP is a technique of using words to re-programme the body computer to accept another perception of reality - in this case the consensus agreed by the manipulators before their victims even register for the 'course'. Apparently the CIA refers to these pre-agreed 'opinions' as 'slides'. As one Internet writer said:

'A "slide" is a prefabricated, "politically correct" blanket "pop" "opinion", "view" or "take" upon a particular issue of general interest which is designed to preclude further consideration, analysis or investigation of the issue in question. In other words, it is a "collectivised" mental position which is never to be questioned. This is precisely the "product" of the Deputy Prime Minister's insidious neurological linguistic control programme "Common Purpose".'

Anyone who resists the programming is isolated and the group turned against them until they either conform or lose credibility to be a 'leader'. Look at global society in any country and you will see this happening in the workplace, among friends down the bar and in television discussions. The consensus on global warming has been manipulated to be that carbon emissions are the cause and anyone who says otherwise is an uncaring, selfish, racist and quite happy to see the planet and humanity face catastrophe. The fact that carbon emissions are not the cause of global warming is irrelevant because the 'truth' is what the consensus has agreed it to be. In short, if you don't agree with the extreme consensus you are an extremist.



It is the manipulation of consensus that has turned the three main political parties in Britain into one party with their leaders Tony Blair, David Cameron and 'Ming' Campbell all standing on the same ground. They might offer slightly different policies - and only slightly - but they are all agreed on the fundamentals and this makes elections irrelevant. The Conservative Party's David Cameron, the likely winner of the next General Election, is Blair Mark II and this pair certainly have common purpose.

The Tavistock Institute has been working this flanker for decades and Common Purpose seems to me to have the Curriculum Vitae of a Tavistock front.  One of the Tavistock founders, Dr. John Rawlings Rees, who also became co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health, talked of infiltrating all professions and areas of society - 'Public life, politics and industry should all ... be within our sphere of influence ... If we are to infiltrate the professional and social activities of other people I think we must imitate the Totalitarians and organize some kind of fifth column activity!' He said that the 'salesmen' of their perception re-programming (mass mind-control) must lose their identity and operate secretly. He said:

'We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life ... We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church: the two most difficult are law and medicine.'

The common purpose of the Tavistock/Illuminati guerrilla war on the human psyche is to wipe clean any sense of the individual and unique because only that way can they impose the global dictatorship and have the masses accept it. Brock Chisholm, former Director of the UN World Health Organisation, was right when he said: 'To achieve One-World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism'.

Enter Common Purpose and its training of 'leaders'. If you can get the leaders to think the same it makes it much easier to transfer that to the general population. Julia Middleton's organisation, and whoever and whatever else is really behind it, has been making dramatic inroads into British society while it has flown below the radar. It is time we gave it a much higher profile as it goes ever-more international.



Brian Gerrish at http://www.eutruth.org.uk discovered Common Purpose when he was involved with a group in Plymouth in the west of England helping people find jobs and one of their projects was repairing wooden boats. He said they had lots of public support and backing from the local authorities and everything was going fine. But then it suddenly changed and the council support was withdrawn. When they tried to continue alone, he said that within a short time key people were being threatened:

'When we started to explore why we were being threatened we were absolutely staggered to find a very strange organisation called Common Purpose operating in the city. And we were absolutely amazed that there were so many people involved but they were not declaring themselves ...

'[Common Purpose] was operating throughout the structure of the city, in the city council, in the government offices, in the police, in the judiciary. Essentially we discovered what is effectively, at best, a quasi secret society which doesn't declare itself to ordinary people.'

Further research has led Gerrish to establish that Common Purpose is recruiting and training leaders to be loyal to the objectives of the organisation and the European Union and preparing the governing structure for what it calls the 'post-democratic society' after nations are replaced by regions in the European Union. 'They are learning to rule without regard to democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of us', Gerrish says. Common Purpose 'graduates' are increasingly everywhere, as you will see from the partial list at the end of this article.

When the organisation was given an award in 2005 by one of it clients, Newcastle University in the North East of England, it was revealed that among its graduates in that area were: Michael Craik, Northumbria Police Chief Constable; Andrew Dixon, Executive Director of the Arts Council England, North East; Glyn Evans, City Centre Chaplain; Chris Francis, Centre Manager of the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust; Anne Marshall, Chief Officer of Age Concern; Anthony Sargent, General Director of The Sage Gateshead; Miriam Harte, Director of Beamish Museum; and Sue Underwood, Chief Executive of NEMLAC (the North East Museums, Libraries and Archives Council). Brian Gerrish has found them to be throughout the government structure with more than £100 million of taxpayers money spent on Common Purpose courses for state employees. It has members in the National Health Service, BBC, police, legal profession, religion, local councils, the Civil Service, government ministries,! Parliament and Regional Development Agencies.



Common Purpose graduate Cressida Dick issued the 'shoot-to-kill' order to police officers that led to an innocent Brazilian electrician, Jean Charles de Menezes being held down by police and shot eight times at point blank range, seven of them in the head. Cressida Dick has since been outrageously promoted from commander to deputy assistant commissioner in the Metropolitan police. Janet Paraskeva, the Law Society's Chief Executive Officer, is also a Common Purpose graduate and there are many and increasing numbers in the law and enforcement professions.

Common Purpose meetings are held under the 'Chatham House rule' in which participants are free to use the information received but not to reveal the identity or affiliation of the source, nor anyone else participating. Chatham House is the headquarters of the Illuminati's Royal Institute of International Affairs, which is part of the web that includes the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission in the United States. It introduced the 'Chatham House rule' to keep its meetings secret while still having its policy promoted on a non-attributable basis.

From the efforts of the Tavistock Institute and Julia Middleton has come a common network with a common purpose that is leading to the rapid and coordinated introduction of Newspeak, political correctness and 'management initiatives' that lead us ever further down the road to tyranny.



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A partial list of Common Purpose UK clientele

ABL Ltd, Bradford = Carlisle Business Centre!!!!!!! Perhaps those rumours of restrictions are really and purely aimed against us!!!!!!
Admiral Insurance Services Ltd
American Express, Brighton
ARRIVA, Head Office
ARRIVA, Leeds City Station
Arts Council England, North-West, Manchester
Astra Zeneca UK Limited, Macclesfield
Astron, Edinburgh
Aylesford Newsprint Ltd, Aylesford
BAE Systems, Rochester
Baillie Gifford & Co, Edinburgh
Baker Tilly, Milton Keynes
Barnsley College, Barnsley
Barnsley Hospice, Barnsley
BASF Plc, Middlesbrough
Bayer CropScience, Norwich
Begbroke Science Park, University of Oxford, Yarnton
British Petroleum, Grangemouth
Bradford Vision, Bradford
Brighton & Hove City Council, Hove - King's House
Brighton & Hove Economic Partnership, Brighton
BSkyB, Dunfermline
BT Scotland, Edinburgh - Alexander Graham Bell House
BUPA Ireland, Dublin
Business Link, North & Western Lancashire
Cairn Energy Plc, Edinburgh
Campsmount School, Doncaster
Cardiff City AFC, Cardiff
Cathays High School, Cardiff
ChamberLink Ltd, Manchester
Chapel Royal , Brighton
Cherwell School, Oxford
City and County of Cardiff, Cardiff - County Hall
City College Coventry, Butts Centre
City Of Bradford Metropolitan District Council, Bradford
Clackmannanshire Council, Alloa
Cork Prison, Cork
Coventry Evening Telegraph, Coventry
Darton High School, Barnsley
Department for Education and Skills, Darlington
Derby College, Derby
Dewsbury Health Care NHS Trust, Dewsbury & District Hospital
Diageo plc, Dublin
Diageo plc, Leven - Banbeath Industrial Estate
Diamond Corrugated Cases Ltd, Londonderry
Dixons City Academy, Bradford
Donnington Valley Hotel, Newbury
Dover Harbour Board, Dover
Dublin Bus, Dublin
Dubrovnik Hotel, Bradford
EON UK plc, Coventry
Education Bradford, Bradford
Education Client Team, Bradford
Egg, Derby
EMI Records Group UK and Ireland, London
English Institute of Sport Sheffield, Sheffield
Eversheds, Cardiff
Fife College, Kirkcaldy
Fife Constabulary, Police Headquarters
Fife Council, Kirkcaldy - Town House
Ford Motor Company Limited, Southampton
Forth Valley College of Further & Higher Education, Falkirk Campus
Fox's Biscuits, Batley
Glasgow City Council, City Chambers
Glasgow Science Centre, Glasgow
GlaxoSmithKline, Dartford - Acacia Hall
Goodwin Resource Centre Association, Hull
Grattan plc, Bradford
Grimsby and S****horpe Newspapers Ltd, Grimsby
Gripple Ltd, Sheffield
Hartlepool Primary Care Trust, Hartlepool
Headquarters 2nd Infantry Brigade, Folkestone
Health Promotion, Coventry
HM Prison Cardiff
HM Prison Edinburgh
HM Prison Glenochil, Tullibody
HM Prison HMYOI Polmont, Falkirk
HM Prison Maidstone
HM Prison Stafford
HM Prison Standford Hill, Sheerness
HM Prison Swaleside, Isle of Sheppey
Home Office Refugee Integration Section, Croydon
Hothouse Centre for Ceramic Design, Stoke-on-Trent
HSBC Bank plc, Manchester
Hull Citybuild, Hull
Hull Cityventure Limited, Hull
Huntsman Petrochemicals [UK] Ltd, Redcar
IBM United Kingdom Limited, Edinburgh
Indian Muslim Welfare Society, Batley
John Wheatley College, Glasgow
Karmand Community Centre, Bradford
Keele University
Keepmoat plc, Doncaster
Kellogg's, Manchester
Kent Thameside Delivery Board, Gravesend
Kickstart, Sheffield
Kimberly-Clark Ltd, Barton-Upon-Humber
Kingston upon Hull City Council, The Guildhall
Komedia, Brighton
Laganside Corporation, Belfast
Lancashire Constabulary, Nr Preston
Learning + Skills Council, Hull
Legal & General, Cardiff - 2 Fitzalan Place
Longley Park Sixth Form College, Sheffield
Lothian Buses plc, Edinburgh
Marriott Hotel, Glasgow
Marriott Hotel, Sunderland
Marriott Sprowston Manor Hotel & Country Club, Norwich
Maxxium UK Ltd, Stirling
McCann FitzGerald Solicitors, Dublin
Meadowhall Centre Limited, Sheffield
Medway Ports, Sheerness
Met Office, Exeter
Middlesbrough Borough Council, Middlesbrough - Vancouver House
Millennium Chemicals, Grimsby
Milton Keynes Museum, Milton Keynes
MKM Building Supplies Ltd, Hull
National Children's Centre, Huddersfield
National Museum of Photography, Film & Television, Bradford
New Appointments Group, Sittingbourne
Newbury Town Council, Newbury
Newcastle Building Society, Newcastle Upon Tyne
North Lincolnshire Council, S****horpe
Northern Echo, Darlington
Northern Lincolnshire & Goole Hospitals NHS Trust, S****horpe
Northwest Development Agency, Warrington
Norwich City Council, City Hall
Novartis Grimsby Ltd, Grimsby
O2 Ireland, Dublin
OCR, Coventry
Outokumpu Stainless Ltd, Sheffield
Oxford City Council, St Aldate's Chambers
Panasonic UK Ltd, Bracknell
Patcham High School, Brighton
Pfizer Limited, Sandwich - Ramsgate Road
PricewaterhouseCoopers, London - Embankment Place, Head Office
PricewaterhouseCoopers, London - Plumtree Court
Prudential plc, Reading
Prudential plc, Stirling
PSA Peugeot Citroen, Coventry
PSA Peugeot Citroen, Manufacturing Plant
Quest International Ltd, Ashford
REACT, Rotherham
Reading Borough Council, Reading
Reed In Partnership, Doncaster
Ridgewood School, Doncaster
Robin Hood Airport, Doncaster Sheffield, Doncaster
Rok Build, Reading
Rolls-Royce plc, Inchinnan
Rotherham College of Arts and Technology, Dinnington
Royal Bank of Scotland plc, Edinburgh - The Younger Building
Safefood, Cork
Salford Primary Care Trust, Salford
Scottish Enterprise Forth Valley, Stirling
Scottish Enterprise, Glasgow
Scottish Executive, Edinburgh - Victoria Quay
Sheffield City Council, Sheffield - Town Hall
Shepherd Neame Ltd, Faversham
Shoosmiths Solicitors, Milton Keynes
Slough Enterprise Gateway, Slough
South Norfolk District Council, Norwich
South Wales Fire Service, Cardiff
St Andrews Bay Hotel, St. Andrews
St Saviours C of E Church, Folkestone
St Simon Stock School, Maidstone
Staffordshire University, Stafford
Stoke-on-Trent City Council, Stoke on Trent
Strathclyde Police, Headquarters
Sussex County Cricket Club, Hove
Sussex Innovation Centre, Brighton
Sussex Police, Hove Police Station
Swale Borough Council, Sittingbourne
Swale Forward, Swale
Swale Primary Care Trust, Sittingbourne
Swan Valley Community School, Swanscombe
Tesco Charity Trust, Cheshunt
Thames Valley Police, Reading - Castle Street
Thames Valley Police, Slough
The Bridge (Oxford) Ltd, Oxford
The Brighton Dome and Brighton Festival, Brighton
The City of Edinburgh Council, Head Office
The Grimsby Institute of Further & Higher Education, Grimsby
The Recovery Project, Brighton
The Thornbury Centre, Bradford
Thomson Snell & Passmore (Solicitors), Tunbridge Wells
Tonbridge Grammar School, Tonbridge
Unipart (DCM), Oxford
University of Bradford (bit of research there, holy)
University of Glasgow
University of Greenwich, Chatham
University of Salford
University of St Andrews
University of Sussex, Brighton
Urdd Gobaith Cymru, Cardiff
Viking FM, Hull
Vodafone Group Plc, Head Office
Wales Millennium Centre, Cardiff
Welsh Development Agency, Cardiff
West Berkshire Community Hospital, Thatcham
West Berkshire Council, Newbury
West Midlands Fire Service, Coventry, Radford Road Community Fire Station
West Midlands Police, Coventry, Little Park Street Police Station
West Yorkshire Police, Bradford South
West Yorkshire Police, Huddersfield
Wintringham School, Grimsby
Wokingham District Council, Wokingham
Wychwood School, Oxford
Yorkshire Bank PLC, Leeds
Yorkshire Water, Esholt Hall
Young's Bluecrest Seafood Limited, Ross House, Grimsby
Zurich Commercial, London and Swindon  

--Last edited by dh on 2007-03-18 23:09:07 --

Nice one dh, it's a very interesting article.

Interesting list of organisations.

Yorkshire bank!  That's why they've been messing with my account.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=9087371308733687571&q=david+noakes

Common Purpose comes up in this, with David Noakes and Brian Gerrish.  



I see Bradfor uni are clients, well I can top that.  My work collaborate on projects with the Tavistock Institute funded by the Lottery!

Reminds me, most of the public think the lottery is wasted on Museums and Operas according to one petition on the pm's site.  lol.

Let's dig a little into CBC.  

--Last edited by Uselesseater on 2007-03-19 20:03:10 --

God help us. Is there any point in going on?

As I read through this article I was reminded of a documentary on TV a few years ago about Egg, the insurance company. It showed how the employees worked together as a family. Everything was for the good of the company. They all worked together and played together. It was horrible to watch actually. all those clones wandering around with big grins on their faces toeing the company line like those Japanese company workers.
  Then, sure enough, as I read down through the list of clients Egg was one of them.
 That awful robot, Douglas Alexander, the Transport Secretary is a typical product of this kind of conditioning. He has been groomed for leadership, mind controlled.
 They seem to be into a lot of prisons for some reason.
So now we know what Prescott is really doing in government.

Ed told me that the Photography Museum (Common Purpose) are putting on free showings of Al Gores, 'The Great Delusion'...sorry 'A convenient lie.'

Here's Brian Gerrish on common purpose.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBE_0-1v_34

See also THE 'NAZI' TAKEOVER OF EAST RIDING - http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_east_riding_takeover.htm

Brian Gerrish supplied some of the info to me through a friend of mine in Skipton back in 2005... quite eye opening

Thanks for putting this one up Brand_x.
Interesting article...there are a few people at work that I need to show this to!

No EU - Common Purpose EUs 5th Column in UK
Brian Gerrish Full Presentation 1 hr 39 min - 1 Jul 2007

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3730272006284428844&q=The+New+Battle+For+Britain&total=124&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Gerrish's statements linking Common Purpose with the EU are allegations which have no substance whatsoever.

I have carefully studied the method Gerrish uses in his videos, how he slips easily from talking about Common Purpose to the EU, leaving the listener confused by this verbal trick into believing that there really is a link between CP and the EU.

I would caution readers aboout Gerrish. He is extremely right wing. He uses the kind of phrases that US Senator McCarthy used in his witch-hunt trials in the fifties, eg. "Common Purpose is the Communist Party of the EU."

Gerrish describes the Freedom Association as the sister-organisation of his own British Free Press. The Freedom Association is notorious for having played an active part in union-busting on behalf of Thatcher during the early 'eighties. The Freedom Association was also closely linked to the CIA-funded Congress for Cultural Freedom.

I believe that Gerrish is using Common Purpose as a tool to get at the EU by using guilt-by-association tactics. However, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt so have written both to the Commission and to my MEPs, asking them to investigate the matter.

Two of my MEPs, Catherine Stihler and David Martin, have agreed to do so. When I have their replies I will be making them public.  

--Last edited by greengorilla on 2008-05-21 13:41:27 --

I suspect Rory, that your MEPs will be fed misleading info
I've no doubt that CP is a sinister 'unifying' agent seeking to make all adherents PC and in line with the agenda, whether EU disposed or not  

--Last edited by dh on 2008-05-21 23:19:00 --

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I've no doubt that CP is a sinister 'unifying' agent seeking to make all adherents PC and in line with the agenda, whether EU disposed or not

That, I would say, is the more likely possibility.

I would guess that if Common Purpose had been in the States, it would be trying to make everyone into good Neocons or whatever else was politically the correct line.

But what good is it asking any questions at all if what you say is true? Perhaps we'd do better just to believe any old thing that fits in with our views?

Such association-by-guilt would be in effect an anti-EU witch-hunt? And by that I mean a witch-hunt against the Commission as well as the entire EU by association. The Commission is damned if it admits to any connection and it is damned if it denies it!

And that is McCarthyism.

I think the problem with the UK 911 Movement is that it is a political broad church and there are those  in it of potentially nationalist, right wing tendencies. Gerrish is clearly of the Right as well as a Nationalist and his views will be attractive to that kind of person.

Add to that David Icke and his favourite lizards & you've got a real ideological mish-mash which has nothing at all to do with 911.

Such folk won't stop to ask, but hey, what is it that really motivates someone like Gerrish? They will turn a blind eye to his Right Wing, Thatcherite connections. Everybody in England knows that the EU is the enemy, ergo Gerrish must be right & we must support him.

This is what I find so often in this Movement. It's pointless arguing with people whose minds are closed. You can argue & write about something until you're blue in the face (as I have) but certain folk who seem to be motivated more by some kind of prejudice than reason just ain't gonna listen.

I find that mind-set really scary. What I found to my cost on the UK Forum was that there was a tiny group of persons with set views who were running it. If you challenged those views you were dead meat. And it was every man for himself with no one prepared to challenge the arbitrary behaviour of the power group. As a result of all that I came to the conclusion that this was a 'Truth Movement' pushing selected truths with little or no tolerance of unorthodox or politically unacceptable views.

Nobody else to my knowledge on either this Forum or the UK Forum has actually bothered to try & find out if what Gerrish says is true. They just accept that it is and nothing or no one with any kind of alternative information is going to cast doubt on Guru Gerrish.

And yet, what proof does Gerrish have? I have challenged his disciples over & over again to furnish proof but none has ever been forthcoming.

So let me add my rumours to his: the Moon is made of Green Cheese. Rubbish? No more rubbish than Gerrish's wild allegations!  

--Last edited by greengorilla on 2008-05-22 01:11:41 --

Ok Rory. What Gerrish says rings true and what my heart substantiates is better than anything reason can unfold, from experience
I'll withhold an absolute belief until I can track down substantiating evidence

What I cannot understand is this: if Gerrish is confident that what he says is true then he must have some hard evidence to back his allegations. It would be very foolish of him or anyone to make statements in public which are wild and unsubstantiated.

All it would take was one opponent to discredit him and he would be done for. So why does Gerrish withold the information which I must suppose he has? Either he has information which he is not making public for some reason (and what might that reason be?) or he really has no information and is making up the story as he goes along.

All I can say is that I have watched Gerrish's videos & I am disturbed by his methods for putting information across. He uses verbal sleight-of-hand trickeries to persuade an audience who is there already ready to be persuaded!

I have tried to contact Gerrish with no success to date. Meantime, I wrote to my MEPs. Believe me, I would really like to find out the truth about this business for though I am committed to the European Project I am no fan of the Commission. And if the Commission really is up to this kind of deceit then it must be exposed. But we need some kind of hard evidence to do that.  

Meantime, I would be very interested to know just who is behind and funding this website:

http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_east_riding_takeover.htm

I am all too aware that the Net is an ideological battlefield with all kinds of interest groups slugging it out. In the UK I find that practically all the anti-EU websites are Right-Wing in nature, if not something worse. So who is behind this website?  

--Last edited by greengorilla on 2008-05-22 01:43:43 --

The European Community, or whatever they call it now, has been built on lies and deceit since day one.

The first time that I was old enough to vote was when the UK voted on entrance to the Common Market, I distinctly recall being told over and over again that we were simply going into a trading block.

Years later, we are informed that the intention from the offset, was to create a European Super State.

Lies, lies and more lies, I am now sick and tired of these Filthy Liars !!



Robert.

PS.  Your signature would be corrct if it stated:
One planet - Two people - Two destinies.

I agree absolutely with you on this one, Rob. NAFTA is the American equivalent of the EU and will destroy America.

The same people behind Nafta are the nation destroyers who worked to setup the EU. Rule from Jerusalem is the aim.

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PS.  Your signature would be correct if it stated: One planet - Two people - Two destinies.

That could be construed as deliberately meant to give offence but I am rather more thick-skinned than that! What exactly do you mean by 'two people' and 'two destinies'? The separation of Scotland from England?

I support the idea of planetary citizenship and do not subscribe to your cynicism. Planetary consciousness is what Marshall McLuhan was getting at when he talked about the concept of the Global Village in the 'sixties and, ironically, it is the capitalist system with things like the Internet which has helped to create the neural network for the global village.

Similarly with electronic money and credit cards. Capitalism is literally creating a moneyless society based on creditworthiness. Never were we closer to the situation where a takeover of the levers of power from capitalism to post-capitalism could lead to a moneyless society where production is based on need and not greed.

Planetary consciousness is the very opposite of the New World Order. It is about working in cooperation with the Planet's biosystem, not against it as does NWO capitalism.

To be committed to the European Project does not automatically mean that one supports Brussels bureaucracy or Thatcherite economics, now called 'neoliberalism'. The European Union has in it about half a billion people including you. Clearly it is not a monolith as anti-EUers and the Gerrish Mob would like us to believe.

I support the concept of a united, people's Europe as do many others including the GB Communist Party. I am not a Little Britisher or a nationalist and as a Scot have a very low opinion of London rule in any case. I would prefer to see the end of the union and Britain turned into a confederation of four countries with Cornwall (Kernow) also being allowed home-rule if its people wanted it.

This would mean self-government at a more decentralised level. It would not mean borders or passport controls which in any case do not apply in most EU member states (with the exception of a few like the present UK).

I am not afraid of a confederation or a new British Commonwealth being in turn part of a much larger European Confederation. What I do not support & never will is that corrupt anachronism in Westminster.

What is it about nationalists who go on about "national sovereignty" that they think they have something precious to lose with the passing of Westminster? We mostly in Scotland wouldn't give a hoot to see it dead and buried.

A Scots socialist of old, John Maclaine, once said that the day Scotland regained its independence would be the day that British imperialism would finally be buried. I hope that day comes soon, not just for the Scots but for all the people on this island who continue to suffer from the rulership of class privilege going back to feudal Norman times.

You shouldn't have believed the politicians' spin about Europe. I didn't. I always assumed that membership of the then EEC was one step towards a United Europe and I voted for it in the referendum. I have been campaigning for a united Europe since the mid-'sixties and remain committed to it.

That doesn't require me to be a capitalist, an NWOer or a supporter of the Brussels Eurocrats. The reality is simply not so black-and-white as that and I am not taken in by Rupert Murdoch's gutter journalism or the extreme Right in Britain who hide behind the cover of libertarianism.

And, by the way London Mick, I'd be willing to put good money on the likelihood that if ever the UK were to leave the EU it would be swallowed-up as a NAFTA satellite PDQ!  

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Hi Greengorilla,

My statement, “One planet - Two people - Two destinies” was not meant to give offence, rather, it was meant to impart understanding.

According to the Lord Jesus Christ, (The creator of the world, so He should know) there are two seperate and distinct groups of people living on planet Earth.

The Wheat and the Tares, read Matthew 13 for yourself, and you will find out who they are, and what their end is.



Robert.

Thank you for responding, Rob. I see what you mean. But the terrible gulf between the Haves and the Have-nots has existed for decades ... at least since the beginning of colonial times when the colonised countries were stripped off their resources.

Britain was one of the major colonisers with her industries fed by those colonial resources and her market for finished products provided by those same colonies. Once the colonies had gone the British economy hit the rocks and has been foundering on them ever since.

Today we are no more than a satellite state run by Washington, DC. Though of course we are also subject to the Brussels bureaucrats. Most other European governments see us as a trojan for US foreign policy as well as so-called neoliberal economics. Britain has done more to convert the EU institutions to Thatcherite 'neo-liberalism' than anyone else.

It is the British government that has been mainly responsible for the politics of privatisation (called by other Europeans, "Anglo-Saxon economics") that were rejected by the French, the Dutch and now probably by the Irish.

British governments have done a lot of damage to the social-democratic policies of the EU. When blaming it all on Brussels we must remember that. And a lot of the legislation that is turning Britain into a police state didn't come from Brussels. It came from our own politicians in Westminster.

This drift towards a police state began a long time before Britain joined the EEC in the 'seventies. It is a disease wholly attributable to the class-ridden politics of British culture. And it is both mistaken and dangerous to blame it on others.

One of the reasons we are in such a mess is because we are a post-colonial culture that has never owned-up to its past. As a culture we remain collectively in denial.

We say we are not racist. But look how we treat Muslims! And that is a covert form of racism which is condoned by our politicians as well as the judiciary.

It's very easy to blame all our problems on someone else. The difficult thing is to look at ourselves honestly and to accept responsibility for our situation. Only by doing that can we begin to do something constructive about it which benefits our people.

Our rulers have no interest in the welfare of the people. They are corrupt and dangerous. Until we see that & do something about it we'll all keep sliding down the slippery slope to hell.