Hello Mike,

Please explain some of these terms you use- son of God,

Adam was the son of God - an offspring of God as I am an offspring of my natural father.

sin,

Sin = dibelief of God`s word – the fruits of sin would be lying, stealing etc.

tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

That which Adam and Eve were not to partake of.

the blood of the lamb,

The life is in the blood as the blood is shed the life is released the life of a natural lamb could not come back into the believer as it is a different kind of life.

lamb of God,

The lamb of God was Jesus Christ as he died to take away sin - his life could come back into the believer as His was the same kind of life.


'seed gene'

Those who were in Adam – his descendants.




Robert.  

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Free speech is dwindling. Its not just in the street, against the backdrop of NWO instructing advertising messages. Its in the schools and colleges too.
You cant even discuss pertinant issues of politics, religion, sex and drugs in Further Education these days. So silenced young people are going to be more confused and vulnerable.
Whats wrong with C.S Lewis? I judge a man by his work not his upbringing or circumstances.  

--Last edited by la dahlia on 2007-02-26 14:55:58 --

Back to God however, who I should be more thankful for.
I havent found a sensible explaination how everything came from nothing. Big bang theorists use words like, "a mass of energy just appeared" or
'We are not sure how it started but then..."
Its like saying a mercedes was created by the mere chance of a whirlwind in a junkyard.
Everything that has certain aesthetics has a design, and that design has to have been designed by someone.

The NWO want us to think life has no value, that everything happens by chance and that we are our bodies, only making ourselves happier by buying useless stuff and consuming.
I refuse to submit.

Robert said:

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According to God there is only one way: John 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

But wait, i have read this pasage several times from different sources and that this part  of the Bible was changed. Some believe the translation was something like
"I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.And there will be others who come after me" .:
(meaning he is guru the present disciplic succession)
But he announces there will be other prophets who also visit earth in the future.
I am pretty sure those sinister men in cloaks were doing some hardcore editing to control and put fear into the people they were governing. We can argue this all day, the scrïptures we have today are not the same books that were written.
But they are still potent and I would learn more from reading the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita,  the Koran,the Torah than watching a lifetime of tv for example.  
I am not trying to convince anyone to get signed up to the local church or temple. Like all good things religion has been hijacked i know this. Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater though. God is good.    

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The reason that no man can go back to the Father other than through Jesus Christ is that the Sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on Calvary`s Cross took away sin.

John 1:29.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


And also:
1 John 2:2.
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The Bible is the only book which predicts future events with 100% accuracy for instance................
Revelation 13:17.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Therefore the Bible was not written by men.




Robert.

What do you mean, jesus did not die on the cross for us so that we can sin!
How can you say there is no sin? Its everywhere. Alcahol can be bought on every street, gambling, business today is about cheating people.
The media is about programming us to be sinful.
I dont like this symbol of Christianity at all, its all about rememebering the pain and feeling guilt.The cross is a symbol of suffering and reminds us of the killers more than the killed.
Remmebring the teachings of Jesus is far more important than remmebring the instrument that made him suffer.

Nothing much changes bringing fear tactics to control people once again. Its totally screwed up when the masons brought that one in...

Those who have accepted the perfect sacrifice of Jesus have zero sin in the sight of God.

Their sin was taken away by the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ at Calvary`s Cross.

God said so – His word is good enough for me.

Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me !!

As you believe in the teachings of Jesus you will know that you must be “Born – Again”..................
John 3:3 - 7.
3.  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4.  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5.  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6.  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7.  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Robert.

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As you believe in the teachings of Jesus you will know that you must be “Born – Again”..................

Yes this is why i believe in reincarnation.
This was another important bit taken out the Bible, however the clues are there.


"`But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.' Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist." —Jesus, (Matthew 17:12, 13)





"Souls are poured from one into another of different kinds of bodies of the world." —Jesus Christ in Gnostic Gospels: Pistis Sophia

There is no reincarnation.

Hebrews 9:27.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

As per:
"`But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.' Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist." —Jesus, (Matthew 17:12, 13)

Jesus Christ is talking of the Holy Ghost anointing which is in John the baptist.

That same anointing which did the same kind of job was first used in Elijah.

As per being “Born Again” this term means to receive the Holy Spirit which was in Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:38.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Robert.

Fair enough Robert, I understand you have some firm beliefs there.
But where is the spirit of Jesus Christ now? He was resurrected but where he be now?
If spirits remain in bodies (unless you are a saviour) how do you explain all the multitude of accounts of reincarnation that keep occuring?

The Lord Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and is sat on the right hand of God.
Hebrews 1:3.
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.



There is no reincarnation – however demons can speak through people:
Matthew 8:28 – 33.
28.  And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29.  And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

The demons know that they will be judged and destroyed on Judgement Day

30.  And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31.  So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32.  And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
33.  And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
34.  And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts.



The devils spoke through the men that they were possessing.




Robert.  

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Hello la dahlia,

You may find this testimony of interest.

It is from a man called William Marrion Branham:

 
I think most of you remember how I said I had always been afraid to die lest I should meet the Lord and He should not be pleased with me as I had failed Him so many times.

Well, I had been thinking of that one morning as I lay in bed and suddenly I was caught up in a most peculiar vision. I say it was peculiar for I have had thousands of visions and not once did I seem to leave my body.

But there I was caught up; and I looked back to see my wife, and I saw my body lying there beside her.

Then I found myself in the most beautiful place I have ever seen. It was a paradise. I saw throngs of the most beautiful and happiest people I have ever seen.

They all looked so young-- about 18 to 21 years of age. There was not a gray hair or a wrinkle or any deformity amongst them.

The young women all had hair down to their waists, and the young men were so handsome and strong. Oh, how they welcomed me.

They hugged me and called me their darling brother, and kept telling me how glad they were to see me. As I wondered who all those folks were, one beside me said, "They are your people".
 
I was so astonished I asked, "Are all these Branhams?"
He said, "No, they are your converts."

He then pointed to one lady and said, "See that young lady that you were admiring a moment ago. She was 90 years old when you won her to the Lord."
I said, "Oh my, and to think this is what I was afraid of."

The man said, "We are resting here while waiting for the coming of the Lord."
I replied, "I want to see Him."
He said, "You can't see Him just yet; but He is coming soon, and when He does He will come to you first, and you will be judged according to the Gospel you have preached, and we will be your subjects."

I said, "Do you mean I am responsible for all these?"
He said, "Every one. You were born a leader."
I asked him, "Will every one be responsible? What about Saint Paul?"
He answered me, "He will be responsible for his day."

"Well," I said, "I've preached the same Gospel that Paul preached." And multitude cried, "We're resting on that."




Robert.

La Dalia.

If you are refereing to regressions into past lifes, I think it is more likely that these people are connecting to some kind of collective conciousness.  The infinite perhaps.

It is pointless arguing with people like Rob. They are totally brainwashed. At least he shows an interest in finding out the truth about 9/11. Let's encourage him in that.
 The arrogance of these deluded "born again" types always gets me fuming. The way they totally dismiss everyone elses spiritual beliefs. These fundamentalists are at a lower level of spiritual evolution and hopefully with Gods guidance they will find their way out of the swamp of ignorance.
 Of course the big worry is that more and more ordinary decent people are being sucked up into this silly madness and it stops them dead as far the search for truth goes. They lose all political and spiritual motivation thinking that they have found the answer with a bunch of looney "Christians". All of this suits the elite, of course, because it stops the masses questioning. The fundamentalist muslims are doing the same to their people. Stamping down on any form of individualism and free thinking.

I must say I like Rob. I agree with much of LMick has to say,but I'm really glad that we have a literalist pastor in here, even if I dont understand quite what he has to say, and even if he doesn't quite clarify the questions.
Keep on posting Rob. We love you. Well some of us...  

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Hello Mike,

The Lord Jesus Christ..........
Raised the dead.
Healed the sick.
Cleansed the lepers.
Fed thousands with a tiny amount of food.
Walked on the water.
Opened the eyes of the blind.

The Lord Jesus Christ was vindicated to be the Messiah:
John 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

The Lord Jesus Christ said, “Ye must be born again”

There are many who claim to be “Born again” who are not.



Robert.

Yes I believe in God.
Thanks God. Give thanks and praise to Jah and you will too

Even if there was  possibility God is a hoax, all this psychic energy, love, prayer aimed at God has a collective force which is going to benefit everyone anyway.  

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I reccomned you watch this. You will think its another american showman but it gets better.  This is a man chanelling a being from another planet. Some good advice too.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4100471449821338704&q=bashar&total=360&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0  

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God is the omnipotent etheric energy. His force is present everywhere and without 'Him' I would not exist, therefore I'm a believer. Amen.

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Orgonegal wrote : God is the omnipotent etheric energy. His force is present everywhere and without 'Him' I would not exist, therefore I'm a believer. Amen.

Me too
That's the level of my belief