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Holymolam

Have a read of this and see if it rings any bells

Brothers of the Shadows: A Perspective on Conspiracies

http://whale.to/a/gulbekian.html

see also
http://www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm

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So why hasn't 911 been solved yet? Should they have made it easier?

Not sure I understand the implication, by 'they' do you mean the God fearing Christians/Muslims(ISI, Musharraf etc) responsible? Well, exactly, if this was a test of faith (because everything we do as 'children of God' can be described as an act of God due to his omnipotence and all that) then 9/11 is one of these huge contradictions. But if that is what you mean, and you are in fact blaming God for 9/11 (I love that actually, slightly blasphemous though?) then this must be a very vengeful God that we're dealing with, and I for one would reject the evil bastard all the more, even if he did exist.

P.S. Bad form to cite something incorrectly, I believe it reads 'holymowlam', crikey, all you need is the copy and paste function. The holy is slightly in jest, although I would like it to be read as a noun (inspiring fear, awe), rather than adjective, if it must be read literally.

I am so proud Holy...
This forum has 3 pages full of comments....I have you all by the short and curley's ...lol

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Holymolem said You’d think that if (H)e did want us to believe in (H)im, then (H)e’d make it slightly easier for us, leave a few clues lying about, and not a world full of heart-breaking, ’soul’-destroying contradictions.

The above was what I was responding to. Nothing to do with God being involved on 911.

So if God should make it simpler for you to believe in him, then why didn't the people who did 911 make it easier for us to find out who did it?

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Riaz A: I am so proud Holy... I have you all by the short and curley's ...lol

And I’m loving it! Ooooo baby yeah, loll your tongue just where I like it! (Don’t know where that fits into the enforced irrational fear of the homosexual many religions seem keen to maintain, despite the fact this and many other cultures of ours are based on the ancient Greek - Alexander the Great anyone? Whole other debate there though I know. Although I do often wish I was gay just so I could have more of a real, personal grievance).
And so you should be proud Riaz, I aim to please, glad to be of assistance.

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Albert Tatlock: So if God should make it simpler for you to believe in him, then why didn't the people who did 911 make it easier for us to find out who did it?

Now, Mr Abort Titlick (once again, only joking, but annoying when people mis-spell names, isn’t it?), you mean that God doesn’t really want us to know that he exists, right? That your reward is to be found in heaven if only you have the sufficient faith and devotion to the good and righteous. Blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, Amen. Yeah? Ergo, if you start to truly understand 9/11 then you may be welcomed into the warm bosom of a family such as ours? Not sure that’s the logic you’re alluding to though. But, they have made it easy for us to understand 9/11, it’s riddled with mistakes, that’s the complication here. Why have we anything to argue against? Why questions about the actual hijackers, Al Quaida’s validity and history, stand-down orders, NORAD, Flight 93, black-boxes, the Pentagon and on and on and on. It’s a piece of piss to find out who did it. Whereas God, yeah, is just some vague concept, yeah, and I need a little more than that, thanks, as my belief system.

I’m actually finding this really hard to answer, because we’re actually talking about some mythical, fairytale character, we might as well wonder why Superman didn’t fly in to rescue everyone from the upper floors, and where was King Kong to catch the plane hanging from the Empire State? Can you please enlighten me to what you think the answer to you question is?

Can you hear the God boys sing? No, no...
All that solemnity I suppose.

Mowlam.  You have a serious problem seperating God who is indefinable and religion, which is just a kind of club with lots of rules and docterines.

I'm becoming more anti-religious as I hear the neutralising docterines my brother comes out with.  Like 'it's not the Christians mandate to stand up against the government'. So it's ok to condem the world to horrors as long as you preach the gospel    

Of course you can't tell him hes following an anti christian eastern docterine.

That is true, you are absolutely right, my fight is with mass organised religion, not belief in God - whatever gets you through the relativelty short time we're on this planet is fine by me, and who am I to say otherwise? I mean people belive in other untangable, conceptual things like democracy, or trust in Politicians for instance.

Sounds like your bro needs some working on, enjoy all those nice Christmas discussions on Politics and religion and other heartwarming things.

Oh Christmas was a joy.

Being called a conspiracy theorist by a full on creationist is quite amusing.  Really something else.

I think i'll leave the occult origins of Christianity and Judaism for another time.  

Yes I am a believer.
I glance into the "new scientist" now and then and see what new conspiracy theory they have brought out next. Matter just appeared from a void, doesnt make sense.
Its more proposterous to believe there is no designer of the universe.
THE WAY I SEE IT:
I am not a member of any religous group. However I am following a practice which is enabling me to notice some amazing results. However there are many paths that lead to God as there are many languages that represent the word "Love"
We all have a tiny but powerful bit of ALLAH GOD JAH KRSNA JEHOVAH in us and that is the difference between us and a dead body.
We are spirit souls trapped in this dense matter body and world.
The more attatcehd you are to material things the less likely you will have the vision to get out.
All things have patterns, nothing comes by chance.
Humanity has created chaos, designed bombs and created greed. Lets not be drawn to atheism because of this.
There are many false leaders of all faiths but this doens not mean we shouldnt read the ancient knowledge that has been passed down in the scrïptures.

I agree, now please tell us what you are practising.

Hello LaDahlia,

You state.......
"However there are many paths that lead to God as there are many languages that represent the word "Love"

According to God there is only one way:
John 14:6  
Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Robert.

I'm sure the expression..."I am the way" has a deeper, hidden meaning that is way beyond the comprehension of yer average so-called Christian. Don't ask me though!

Hello Mick,


"I am the way" simply means that the only way back to God is through the Sacrifice that was made at Calvary`s Cross.



Robert.

Yes, but what does that mean? Surely there is a deeper meaning to a bloke being killed on a wooden cross? What is it symbolic of? You say a man is killed on a cross and all our sins are forgiven...how? By whom?
I suggest you read Alice Bailey's .."From Bethleham to Calvary"

A wonderful explanation of the esoteric meaning of Christ's life.

http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/bethlehem/toc.html

Vere alder's Initiation of the world is an even better read and this article is a good summary of the esoteric side of religion.

   http://www.wnrf.org/cms/esotericf.shtml

Hello Mike,

Adam was the son of God:
Luke 3:38.
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of ADAM,  WHICH  WAS  THE  SON  OF  GOD.

All of the other children of God were within Adam as “Seed gene” therefore, when Adam sinned all of his being, including the “Seed gene” within him became sinful:
Romans 5:12.
Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

God had told Adam and Eve:
Genesis 2:17.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God`s word was that the day that they ate they must die, however, the Grace of God stepped in and God took a substitute, the lamb.

The blood of the lamb could not take away sin, it could only cover over sin as it was a man who had sinned and not a lamb.

Every lamb that was ever sacrificed was a type of Jesus Christ who was “The Lamb of God”:
John 1:29.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Salvation is a free gift, paid for by Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:19.
For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus Christ) shall many be made righteous.

I recommend that you read the Gospel for yourself, it is such a simple message.



Robert.  

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RobYork wrote : Hello Mike, Adam was the son of God: Luke 3:38. Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of ADAM,  WHICH  WAS  THE  SON  OF  GOD. All of the other children of God were within Adam as “Seed gene” therefore, when Adam sinned all of his being, including the “Seed gene” within him became sinful: Romans 5:12. Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. God had told Adam and Eve: Genesis 2:17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God`s word was that the day that they ate they must die, however, the Grace of God stepped in and God took a substitute, the lamb. The blood of the lamb could not take away sin, it could only cover over sin as it was a man who had sinned and not a lamb. Every lamb that was ever sacrificed was a type of Jesus Christ who was “The Lamb of God”: John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Salvation is a free gift, paid for by Jesus Christ: Romans 5:19. For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus Christ) shall many be made righteous. I recommend that you read the Gospel for yourself, it is such a simple message. Robert.

Yep, ok Rob, please explain some of these terms you use- son of God, Seth, Enos, Adam, Eve, sin, tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the blood of the lamb, lamb of God, disobedience.
'seed gene' - what on earth's that about?
You know, I appreciate your viewpoint, but I don't know, - well I have half an idea but it's always from an occult viewpoint - what these terms actually mean. How do we codify them into our day to day experience?
If you know what I mean  

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I was raised in a Christian home but I was never as enthusiastic as my brother, seeing it as painting life as a veil of tears. I do however value the Bible greatly and am fascinated by finding the truth behind the events described therein.  I don't think the position that the accout of events (Genesis for example) should be taken literaly, is tenable.