I dont want to start a debate off - otherwise we will be going around circles. But I just wanted to know under which category do our members fall in?

   

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It's a tough one!

I consider myself being a spiritual being having a human experience!

Everything is made of vibrating energy. The difference between solid and not is the speed at which it vibrates. We actually live in a frequency range - the ones our five senses can access - not a world. We've been manipulated into believing our tiny frequency range is all there is. Look at cats, they react to what we see as empty space and dogs hear different sound frequencies. Take all the energy that exists and that is my GOD. Not someone sitting on a throne handing out heaven and hell.

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your descrïption, Narinder - especially the more I find out about quantum physics. I think we should really concentrate on creating a much better world. This would seem a good place to start!

Just got to post this!

http://www.astro-noetics.com/faq_13.html

http://www.triquartz.co.uk/conn1.html

Point taken Nindy and I am fascinated with the quantum level of Gods entirety..

But where did all this come from is my ultimate question? All these vibrations etc. Dont you think some divine force set this off? We can come out with all this fancy stuff about string theory etc - but where is the begining?

I totally disagree with this God image that is potrayed to us. I believe Heaven and Hell are all metaphors. I belive that Heaven and Hell is a state of being and not a locality. Just like Paradise is described as rivers of honey and milk to the Arabs 1400 years ago.

I dont believe we are a fluke or a cousin of a lost ape. There is something that has created us and there is a purpose.  

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Don't even think that last posting I made was that relevent to this thread - sorry - was just having a bit more of a look at things before going home from work - I've been thinking about order out of chaos a lot - which would probably mean God to me!

Then I click on the link to Wolfgang Pauli and then on "Moon" not sure why - and look who pops up again!! It really does happen all the time! Strange though it may sound it does make me feel that something is there guiding us really!

(You may need to scroll down to the end of the moon page!)

This is a fascinating topic Jane and is close to my Heart!

Thanks

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Riaz A wrote : Point taken Nindy and I am fascinated with the quantum level of Gods entirety.. But where did all this come from is my ultimate question? All these vibrations etc. Dont you think some divine force set this off? We can come out with all this fancy stuff about string theory etc - but where is the begining? I totally disagree with this God image that is potrayed to us. I believe Heaven and Hell are all metaphors. I belive that Heaven and Hell is a state of being and not a locality. Just like Paradise is described as rivers of honey and milk to the Arabs 1400 years ago. I dont believe we are a fluke or a cousin of a lost ape. There is something that has created us and there is a purpose.

The purpose is us as divine emanations? We are here to reveal our destinies and that of our universe?
Thanks for this very important consideration, Riaz

I think we are all "God" which has gradually "fallen" into a denser and denser state (or is it just me that is "dense")????!!! - Thus the "fall from grace" - ie the fall of the wave into matter, atoms, etc. It's hard for me because I sometimes see things going on - on two levels at once. For example I have been thinking about Jesus's words when rebuking a man who asked "Can you heal my son..?" He said something like "Can I?!" "How much longer do I have to be with this disbelieving generation?" "This and more you could do yourselves but you can't even believe I can do it!" Because I know that the number 888 is associated with Jesus (and as some of you may have gathered David Gilmour in Pink Floyd is somehow "playing" the role of Jesus in this play I'm in (my life!), I chose to look again at the video my friend had done for me of that G8 concert -What a load of cr*p that turned out to be one might well think! But what I noticed was that Nelson Mandela was on giving a speach about we could be the great (G8!) generation...again, there would not seem much chance. But then I noticed that when Pink Floyd came on there were two number "8's" at either side of the stage and pigs have flown. Now if Karl Dallas is reading this he would no doubt be horrified - after all he is a Chirstian and he knew or may still know David Gilmour and certainly won't think he's Jesus!

But for me the way it's happening so odly like this - plus increasingly the message of quantum physics suggests to me that "Jesus" was not and can never be "a person" - this is a ludricous conception - it's a sort of joke! And I think his message to me seems to be "Come out of the density of matter" - but how do we do this? Perhaps you "die" in this "reality"?

How do you people who think the Masons etc are somehow keeping us stuck here think they are doing it! I arn't at all in to this kind of thing - but I do think that if we have all fallen into dense matter then there will no doubt be other energies (which we all are!) of an even denser level here as well - perhaps they are in their element so to speak!

Does anyone know if matter vibrates faster the less dense it is?

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Does anyone know if matter vibrates faster the less dense it is?

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How do you people who think the Masons etc are somehow keeping us stuck here think they are doing it!

See my other post on this forum. They didnt need the technical fixes so much until the Schumann resonances started attenuating,ie vibrating faster,with which we are either harmonising or resisting or a bit of both. In the end if we resist we are likely to die. Their efforts are thus aimed at staunching this effect and making it more likely we die or become retained in their more dense 3D matrix than become fully aware in our lifetimes, as is occurring. Or summat

Riaz asked the question: Where did this all come from?

Quantum physics has confirmed that Time is an illusion created by thought. The past, present and future is happening in the NOW.

Since world is an illusion created by thought, how can we say: where did it come from? where is the begining etc...this analysis is based on an illusionary time.

What if we have simply forgotten or caught in an amnesia hypnotic trance in our minds? and thought we have forgotten we are the dream and the dreamer or creation and the creator?

There's an ancient Hindu myth that said: human consciousness had begun as a ripple that decided to leave the ocean of consciousness the "timeless, spaceless and eternal". When it awakened to itself in this "disconnected" state, the myth said, it forgot that it was part of the infinite ocean and felt isolated and separated.

That maybe the case with human consciousness and time. But what about the physical side?  - irrelavent want slant you can take with the illusionary concept.

The miracle being of this body , the miracle of the eye , the reproductive system , the miracle of the heart beat and the amazing mechanism of the bodies defence system. Surely this is finely tuned by some force.

I can sit down and talk all day about time and quantun mechanics - but it does not answer the fundemental question of the physical. Lets not cut short corners Nindy -  

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Citation :How do you people who think the Masons etc are somehow keeping us stuck here think they are doing it!




See my other post on this forum. They didnt need the technical fixes so much until the Schumann resonances started attenuating,ie vibrating faster,with which we are either harmonising or resisting or a bit of both. In the end if we resist we are likely to die. Their efforts are thus aimed at staunching this effect and making it more likely we die or become retained in their more dense 3D matrix than become fully aware in our lifetimes, as is occurring. Or summat

"Or summat" indeed!!!!!! Where I wonder does all this come from?!!!

Are you presenting it as fact or your subjective opinion?

I would obviously regard my subjective opinion as fact
But potentially debatable
Of course I have been called a liar in other places for presenting my opinion as factual, but I'm always up for disputation. It's only my opinion  

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Yes I believe in God, Allah, Jah, Krsna, our creator comes in many ages to say the same thing, and the people still dont listen...

Think it's best if I stay out of this one, however suffice to say;

A young boy was asked by his Mother what he was taught in RE.
"Well, our teacher told us how God sent Moses behind enemy lines on a rescue mission to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. When he got to the Red Sea, he had his engineers build a pontoon bridge and all the people walked across safely. Then he used his walkie-talkie to radio headquarters for reinforcements. They sent bombers to blow up the bridge and all the Israelites were saved."
"Is that really what your teacher taught you?" his mother asked.
"Well, no. But if I told it the way the teacher did, you'd never believe me."

Or, how about this?

A man walking alone stumbled off a cliff face. He grabbed hold a tree halfway down to prevent him falling to his death.
"Help me!" The man shouted, but there was no answer. Again and again he cried out, "Is anybody up there?"
A deep voice replied, "Yes, I'm up here."
"Who is it?"
"It's the Lord."
"Can you help me?"
"Yes, I can help. Have faith in me."
"Help me!"
"Let go."
Looking around the man became full of panic. "What?!?!"
"Have faith in me. Let go. I will catch you."

"Uh... Is there anybody else up there?"

holymowlam....?

You are most welcome to your opionion. Long as you dont  belittle the religious ones  

"Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning..." - CS Lewis.

you asked! It's so easy to belittle them though, and fun too. But, as I said, probably best to stay out of this one. Unless you're seriously coming to me with CS Lewis quotes, the voice of Christian, British imperialism, a Belfast born, Oxford educated British army officer - you really think I'm going to respect that? Oh, my, good, God! - as some like to say.