http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmEeX9AAHLM

Appealing to the Priminister that is a novel idea

Dear me  
Might aswell - put this on the Religious forum.  

The first thing that I have noticed - is the bags under his eyes. What the Hells happened to him?  

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Is it possible that he has been working for MI5 all along and this is precisely what they want him to do and say? To discredit the whole 9/11 anti- NWO movement?

Or is his behaviour the result of some kind of bombardment by mind controlling emmissions from a "phone mast" ?

Is something weird about to happen to his ex-girlfriend? Can we trust her?

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London Mick wrote : Is it possible that he has been working for MI5 all along and this is precisely what they want him to do and say? To discredit the whole 9/11 anti- NWO movement? Or is his behaviour the result of some kind of bombardment by mind controlling emmissions from a "phone mast" ? Is something weird about to happen to his ex-girlfriend? Can we trust her?

I wonder about his ex-girlfriend - What does she do for work ? - How does she pay her bills ?


Robert.

The white light to show his 'divinity' is hilarious. What he says is quite sound, but the Messiah complex is really rather jarring, to say the least. Has anyone asked Annie about any of this?

As MO says, what he says is quite sound, it's the Messiah-complex that is jarring. I suspect David has a big ego problem that he hasn't come to terms with. It's very possible that he is experiencing a form of spiritual awakening, ie that he is sensing the Divine Spirit within him.

But then he makes the mistake of confusing that sense of inner divinity with his ego-person, David Shayler. Whereas the inner divinity is a reality that exists beyond all ego and control.

Indian yogis fully understand the experience they call divine madness. It is a state of mind where a much greater force than that of the rational left-brain takes over and destabilises left-brain behaviour. That is why they practise yoga, in order to control the pranic life force or kundalini and not let it run amok as it can do if suddenly released.

Among the different states or conditions of mind which can lead to such a state is where a person is under constant stress over a sustained period of time. Suddenly something will trigger off the pranic energy leading to inner mental as well as physical experiences. To the onlooker it could well resemble a mental breakdown.

Psychotropic substances and cannabis could contribute to the triggering process. That is why Hindu sadhus sometimes smoke ganja.

So maybe David has been touched by divine madness? If so he needs someone who understands the process of spiritual awakening to help guide him through. To confuse the personal ego with the impersonal divine is probably the first snare anyone would encounter in an inner spiritual journey.

These things are not understood or taught very much in the West. Hence our overflowing mental institutions where 'insanity' is treated in futility with chemicals.  

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quote: 'Suddenly something will trigger off the pranic energy leading to inner mental as well as physical experiences. To the onlooker it could well resemble a mental breakdown.'

Been there! Done that! Got sectioned!

Oh, I'm really saddened to hear that, OG. So you and I know the truth, don't we? That these folk, never mind how well-meaning they are, just don't understand what it is they're dealing with!

And it's part of this dreadful un-civilisation that all they can think to do is to dope us up with chemicals and countless other toxics which really do end up driving us mad.

The Hopi Indians call this time we're in, Koyaaniskatsi. It means Breakdown. The Hindus call it the Age of Kali, the final Dark Age before the next Golden Age. The Christians call it the Endtimes.

Never mind what it is called, it's the same finite time in space-time and many of us just understand concepts such as those almost as if we were 'programmed' to understand. Well, maybe the DNA/RNA Code was pre-programmed in some way for a New Awareness to burst open like a capsule?

We were brainwashed into thinking that 'Time is Money'. That's a Lie. Time is a Work of Art constantly Unfolding. Now do you see why they react to what they don't understand in chemical fear?

Human beings were never meant (or programmed) to live in such a Madhouse. That's why so many end up in mental asylums!  

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I call it the Kali Yuga, being a veteran student of yoga and Hindu philosophy. Loony bins are full of misunderstood mystics, with their Kundalini running amok. :-)

I feel dead lonely here that my kundalini remains resolutely coiled

Aw! Maybe I could jump start it for you to whizz through your chakras?

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I call it the Kali Yuga, being a veteran student of yoga and Hindu philosophy. Loony bins are full of misunderstood mystics, with their Kundalini running amok. :-)

Yes, Kali Yuga makes most sense to me though I remain open to the possibility that the Mayan Calendrics somehow interface with the Hindu calculation of time.

We are so ignorant in our post-industrialised societies, having dumped our intuition behind somewhere in those Dark, Satanic Mills that William Blake wrote of. There is a story that Blake as a young lad ran home one day and told his parents he'd seen Angels in a tree and got a thrashing for it.

That didn't stop him and he went on to become England's first Visionary of a New Age to come.

"And may my sword not rest in my hand until we have founded Jerusalem in England's green & pleasant land!" I still hold out hope that the vision will come true one day. Blake, by the way, was a Druid, so he understood the ancient wisdom and the symbols.  

I think this link may relate suitably with what we're discussing here:

http://westyorkshiretruth.aceboard.com/225988-8730-6020-0-Coming-Psychiatric-Medicine.htm

BTW, I know a little bit about Hindu cosmology having read something of Advaita Vedanta, Vivekananda and some others. I visited Sai Baba in Puttaparthi in 1987. Interesting.  

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Sai Baba? Hmmm, dodgy. Turned out to be a bit of a pervert, didn't he? Same as Bagwan.

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Sai Baba? Hmmm, dodgy. Turned out to be a bit of a pervert, didn't he? Same as Bagwan.

Hmm, well, if you believe everything you hear without doing your own research. The stories didn't start until well into the 'nineties after the time of my visit. I didn't find Baba dodgy in the least, My relationship with Baba was mostly on a metaphysical manifesting onto the physical level and in that manner quite an adventure.

But I don't see him as God anymore than I recognise the divinity that resides in all beings. For me he was a remarkable teacher and I learnt a lot. I relate to Baba more as a very dear friend who is always in my life. There's a tremendous amount of love around that relationship in a spiritual sense.

Baba is a remarkable being and clearly has psychic powers and siddhis. If others wish to talk badly of him that's their affair. I simply don't go in for malicious gossip in my life. No time for it. Life is really too short to spend going around digging up dirt about other folk.

Jesus had it just about right when he advised us to deal with our own failings before criticising those of others. It's a good teaching for us all.  

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Bloody hell, Rory, I've accepted that you are a decent enough bloke and mean well but will you please stop preaching and moralising all the time.
 It's not gossip if someone is found out to be a phoney and bit of a perve to boot. I don't trust any of these Godmen from India and the Australian and American ones who take Indian names and set themselves up as gurus Bubba Free John,for example.

I have read a believeable account of various seedy things that Sai Baba has got up to and no doubt he is a very good conjurer producing silly dust from his hands etc. Where did he gte that Afro hairstyle?

I have also spent much time working on my failings and I have learnt how to spot a conman.

My intuition serves me well too. This here BNP type has also done a lot of research into leylines, Steiner, ufo, Blavatsky, Bailey, Ouspensky, Gurdjieff, Leary, Findhorn, Bilderberg, masons, Templars, Tesla, Yogananda, Ram Dass, Krishnamurti, Prester John, Roerich, primal screaming, the Murder of Christ, Wilhem Riech, Nazi occultism, seven years in Tibet, levitation, Michael and Mary lines, pilgrimage, Witness, JG Bennett, Subud, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, the FARC, Chavez, the Andean Brotherhood, Waco, Oklahoma, the Pyramids, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Cathars, meditation, the Priore de Sion, Zionism, the Holohoax, David Irving, Mosely, Ziklon-D, Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, The Federal Reserve, Eugenics, the Rockefellers, Sorus, Rothschilds, jewish feminism, Joseph Connolly, Robert the Bruce, William Wallace,  George Bernard Shaw, Greystone Bobby, Glastonbury, Bobby Sands, Paris 1968, Grosvenor Square (I was there)Moratorium, Buzz Aldrin, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty, Kissinger, Strauss, Richard Pearle, Beslan, Hamilton, Lord Roberts, Dr. Kelly, John Smith, Cooke, Marconi suicides, Whitewater, CIA drug smuggling, heroin from Burma, Bo Gritz, Randy Weaver, Noriega, the Cloud of Unknowing, Vera Brittain, the Philadelphia experiment, Umberto Eco, Thomas Merton, Keep the Aspidistra Flying, the Boer War and Luton Hoo, Cecil Rhodes, Ragnarok, Forbidden Flowers, Abby Hoffman......etc.

ps. Am I the only one having a lot of problems accessing the forum lately?

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Am I the only one having a lot of problems accessing the forum lately?

No, it can almost grind to a halt I'm finding.

Didn't mean to preach or moralise. Just that I know folk love to gossip about others and find fault with them while ignoring their own weaknesses. I am no saint & I have never pretended to be one.

As I say, I don't see Baba as God incarnated as some fanatics do. He is a being like the rest of us but one who has gained some siddhis, powers. I'm not even thinking about the manifestations like holy ash and the other trinkets. I'm thinking of much deeper, personal, metaphysical experiences where he was my teacher or guru.

He, like Socrates, is said to have had his wicked way with certain young men. Presumably the young men didn't object at the time but later protested that they had been abused. Hmm, and how often have we heard of that happening? Why didn't they clock him one at the time? Because they thought he was God? Well, more fool they!

By the way, I met one of these young men, an Indian, who giggled while telling me how he'd been given a hand job. He certainly wasn't horrified. Actually, I think he enjoyed being ravished by the Avatar. Whether he was making it up or not I have no way of telling as I am unable to telepath.

All I can say is that none of this kind of thing was my experience. As I was already well into my 'forties perhaps he lacked interest. In fact, in a private meeting with Baba it was I who gave him a bear-hug and told him I loved him. So there you are, I have one over the 'old pervert'!

And I still do love him. My relationship to Baba is that he is a dear friend who taught me much about this life. I feel his presence in my life, especially when I'm down and alone. Maybe it's all in my fertile imagination. Who knows? And what, anyway, is the imagination?

So it's as simple as that. My guru and me forever in time & space, beyond the physicality of appearances. Beyond beyond ...  

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Orgonegal wrote : Aw! Maybe I could jump start it for you to whizz through your chakras?

That sounds like on offer I could hardly refuse. Can we  arrange a time, place and date for this essential therapy? Don't tell me you could do it remotely. Ah, what chances these forums throw up!  

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Oh well, if these young devotees "enjoyed" having sex with a seventy year old perv... that's ok then! Sheesh!

Mick, I'm impressed, like me you thirst for knowledge. There is everything there but the kitchen sink, oh, and the Hollow Earth theory. You really ought to check that out. I'm a firm believers in hollow planets (formed by cetrifugal and centripital forces) and this is the most fascinating and intriguing subject. Sir Edmund Halley, the Royal Astrologer, was a proponent and many other learned men.