does anyone else think he is part of the ILLUMINATI  


I would like to hear what everyone has to say on this situation  

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Nope. I have heard such arguments before. I cant see it!
Any offers???

Any offers??? Hell yeah!

There's a whole thread about it!

http://westyorkshiretruth.aceboard.com/225988-6438-6334-0-Alex-Jones.htm

I neither listen to his ranting or visit Infowars any more. I detest Alex Jones, the sheeple-herder.

My impression from much study of this guy, and frequent assertions on this forum and others, is absolutely not
Imo he still produces some leading edge evidence, and whatever we think of his attitude, style and/or basic belief system, we should take what he gives. And praise that. He excludes some material from his presentation and I can understand why. He wants to remain "acceptable". After 8 years study with Alex, I regard him as one of us, and think he might be sooner or later taken down. I always harbour suspicions about people and am willing to be proved wrong

If the Illuminati (who have all bases covered) wanted a gatekeeper of the truth movement, who would they choose? A charismatic and articulate 'leader' with widespread influence and popularity, like Alex Jones.

IS THIS FOR REAL???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ82zk8ycfs


PLEASE LOOK!!!!  

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does anyone else think he is part of the ILLUMINATI

Can anyone here provide me with some hard --or even soft-- evidence of the existence of the Illuminati in our times?

The Illuminati were mentioned in an oft-quoted letter in the 18th Century by someone who associated them with the Masons. And Adam Weishaupt was involved with an organisation (bearing this name?) centuries ago.

But where's the evidence of its existence today in the 21st Century?

I don't know about Jones. Some days I think he is one of us and then I see a video like the one linked above and I don't know what to think. I do tend to trust Orgone Gal's judgement on this one.
  One episode that makes me distrust him is when he made a documentary with Jon Ronson, the jewish NWO shill about Bohemia Grove. Ronson specialises in taking the piss out of conspiraloons. He's an establishment stooge.

William Cooper was put to death by someone. Getting too close to the truth like so many others?

Hunter S Thompson? Dr. Kelly? Foriegn secretary Cooke?

Interesting Sourcewatch info link on 'Illuminati':

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Illuminati

More to follow.

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1_voice wrote : IS THIS FOR REAL??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ82zk8ycfs PLEASE LOOK!!!!

Applaud that man Bill Cooper.

Alex Jones is a miserable, cowardly, lying, rumour-mongering, bullshiter! LOL! I swallowed Y2K hook, line and sinker and fled to Scotland wth my kids (okay, stop laughing now!) Bill tells the truth and that's why he was shot on his front porch while Alex Jones is still bellowing into his bullhorn... It occured to me last night, watching Esoteric Agenda, that Jones was groomed to be Bill's 'controlled replacement' and fill the void, his job is to instill fear and anger, which keeps people on a low vibration. Watch how many people calling his show are cut off in mid-sentence and how quickly he changes the direction of the conversation. Bill claimed Jones is a tranny, like Guilliani, and I wouldn't be surprised.  

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1_voice wrote : does anyone else think he is part of the ILLUMINATI   I would like to hear what everyone has to say on this situation

I don't think there is a situation regarding AJ and any 'Illuminati' unless you're talking about the situation regarding how threads in the vain of this one regularly materialise on forums like this one, as Orgonegal points out.

My personal feeling is that CENTCOM operatives are at the root of it with the aim of diverting energy within the movement.

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Can anyone here provide me with some hard --or even soft-- evidence of the existence of the Illuminati in our times?

Any answers?

I think you could be right, Useless.

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greengorilla wrote : Quote : Can anyone here provide me with some hard --or even soft-- evidence of the existence of the Illuminati in our times? Any answers?

Doesn't really matter whether there is or isn't. There are some internet poseurs who are entirely false.
The term refers to a body of people or beings with wealth power and a controlling influence, with also a body of secret knowledge, its practice and implementation,ie illumination, withheld from the general population to the detriment of the latter and the furtherance of the aims of the former. Doesn't really matter if they know themselves as the "Illuminati" or not. That was just Weishaupts term. We entitle them by other terms and evidenced subsections. The whole point of pyramidal organisation is that the pinnacle centre remains hidden and unknown to the many. Illuminati is just a particular shorthand to identify to ourselves some qualities about them referenced in the term.
Whether they exist as an objective self-titling group is beside the point

Just open up your own eyes and look !!!


Robert.

Yes that's eloquently put dh.

I think Illuminati is one of the worst term to describe the ruling class or whatever you want to call them.

Alan Watt summed it up with something like, 'Illuminati is the kind of word that people would think that it would sizzle if you thew water on it.' Quite funny.

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Illuminati is just a particular shorthand to identify to ourselves some qualities about them referenced in the term.

Thanks, Paul for your comments. But I must remind you that we are not just talking with ourselves. We are talking with the world. Hence the importance of accuracy & credibility.

The image we put out to the world as 911 Truth is important. We have nothing to hide so we can always be honest, And that means using accurate terminology as well as carefully thought-out arguments.

It' not just being pedantic but about Integrity as well as Public Relations.

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I think Illuminati is one of the worst term to describe the ruling class or whatever you want to call them.

I agree with UE when he says above that it is not a good term to use. Why not just use NWO, a term we know that people like Bush Sr, Blair and Gordon Brown are on record as using?

When I hear people using this term the word 'conspiraloon' comes into mind. Some folk seem to be more interested by chasing this or that conspiracy than doing anything about the major threats we face today. They're a bit like stamp-collectors or train spotters, looking for conspiracies to add to their collection.

Now, I'm not suggesting that any of us on this Forum fit that category. I'm saying that I know such people exist and when I hear the term, Illuminati, I think of them. That's why I bring up this question.

Rob York says, "Open your eyes & look," Rob, I do & can find no known group that goes by this name. NWO, Bohemian Group, Skull & Bones, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House (RIIA), Freedom Association, Heritage Foundation &c, yes. Illuminati, no. So let's not stray away into never-never land by helping to perpetuate such speculation.

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Whether they exist as an objective self-titling group is beside the point

I disagree. It's very much the point.

I believe it's important to be as accurate as possible when pin-pointing a group & to furnish as many facts to substantiate any allegation one makes. If one does that one earns the respect of others as a credible source. And not if one simply speculates, mixing up fact with fiction.  

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Why not call them what they call themselves?

"The Joint."

It is an abbreviation for 'The Joint Stock Company' a precursor to the modern day global corporation.

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Orgonegal wrote : Why not call them what they call themselves? "The Joint." It is an abbreviation for 'The Joint Stock Company' a precursor to the modern day global corporation.

That's a bit of an unqualified and unsubstantiated comment, Og.
'The world is governed by the Joint - anyone wanna get high?'

I have followed Alex Jones for many years. Even before 9/11 when I was a born again Christian in the practicing sense. I used to research the NWO from the 666 sytem point of view and the occult within Christian worship. But as time went on I grew more and more suspicious of Jones. I am convinced now, he is not to be trusted.