This sounds like fun!

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13963

This Friday on the show, I will be airing a debate that took place yesterday between Rob Hopkins from Transition Towns and Ian Crane a researcher from Totnes who spent 20 years in the oil business. We were also joined by scientist and global warming expert Peter Taylor.

Transition Towns regard Rob Hopkins as their greatest asset, yet as you will hear in the debate, he may yet turn out to be their greatest liability.

His seeming inability to answer various challenges made by Mr Crane, refusal to examine the evidence in front of him and lack of actual evidence himself, left him wide open to large amounts of criticism, and whilst Ian may have put a few nails in his coffin, Peter Taylor certainly nailed it shut!

Peter provided some of the best evidence I have seen to date, to suggest that global warming is in fact global COOLING and his own background and evidence suggest he hasn’t been wrong yet in many years of research.

Ian meanwhile, provided strong evidence that we are nowhere NEAR peak oil as yet, and that there are at least 3 TRILLION BARRELS available in four States of the USA alone.

It does suit the oil companies to have a high-price on fuel that will stay high in the future, so it’s little wonder they are not denying peak oil in the press! There is allegedly much for their shareholders and senior management to gain financially from these rumours doing the rounds!

Listen in Friday and make your own minds up

Ross

Nobody seems to have picked up on this but after listening to it I would highly recommend it.  

Transition Towns Rob Hopkins is reduced to saying 'but have you had a paper published in Science and Nature? Have you?' Lol

I think you can listen again on the site.

Do you have a link to hear it? I'm interested - checked the links but can't find the audio.

http://www.glastonburyradio.net/#listen-again.php

If you go here and click on 'Now THATS weird' the show should be the 14.03.08.

Can't get it to play again in that link, in fact none of the links seem to work. Is the audio posted anywhere else?

Should be able to get it here
http://gallery.mac.com/spacetobreathe4u#100018

$110 per barrel? Seems like an age ago.

"Oil shortage a myth" says industry insider  

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Oil Is NOT A Fossil Fuel - It Is Abiotic

By Jerry Mazza

It seems so easy to believe this idea. Oil contributes greatly to polluting the environment. The industrial age has intensified its use greatly. The more we use, the more we lose fresh air, even the ozone. And therefore it seems almost divine justice that we are about to exhaust this so-called "fossil fuel" within several decades and two hundred years, this cursed blessed hydrocarbon which took millions of years to produce.

 
And, therefore, it almost seems we get what we deserve: a petro-powered society in which once the oil supposedly runs out we will suffer mass annihilations of population, famine, war, total deceleration, a withdrawal into the caves. And, therefore, we should have our prophet From the Wilderness.com, Michael Ruppert, predict this on an ongoing basis. And his biblical tome, Crossing the Rubicon shall subhead the big idea: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. Well, no, not so, kimosabe, not by a long shot.

 
To begin with, oil is not a fossil fuel. This is a theory put forth by 18th century scientists. Within 50 years, Germany and France's scientists had attacked the theory of petroleum's biological roots. In fact, oil is abiotic, not the product of long decayed biological matter. And oil, for better or for worse, is not a non-renewable resource. It, like coal, and natural gas, replenishes from sources within the mantle of earth. This is the real and true science of oil. Read all about it.

 
In fact, working in the 1950s, Russian and Ukrainian scientists, cut off from the Western World's oil supply, applied their keen minds to the problem and, by the 1960s, had thoroughly demolished the idea of oil as a 'fossil fuel,' Is it any wonder then that Russia is one of if not the leading producers and exporters of oil. The isolation of the Cold War forced Russia to dig deeper, literally, to find oil deeper in the earth in some places, and to look in other places where no one had thought to look to reveal more. This while America feels incumbent upon itself, since it claims oil production and discovery has peaked and will fade to nothing in several decades, that America's feels it must make war to take other people's oil: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, the Caspian Basin, Sudan, etcetera.

 
And to others who have oil, it must either rattle its saber, as with Venezuela, threaten to kill its president who will not buckle and sell all his oil to America. And with the Saudis we will protect them from their own terrorists and any Saddam that comes along. And we will get in bed with them so long as we can have the lion's share of their oil, and the say-so as to who gets the rest. And therein lays the evil genius, secret and sham of the 'Peak Oil' put on.
 

If oil, as coal, and natural gas, restores itself by nature, if we will more likely run into it then out of it, how do we continue to make money on it? Certainly not by giving oil away at some reasonable price. After World War II, oil was about 25 cents a gallon at the pump. Even given the spiraling inflation since then-last week I paid $3.50 a gallon for it in New York City, 14 times that price. A week after the summer holiday season ended

(the peak usage season),

oil is down to $3 a gallon. I doubt if I'm the only one who notices oil's price shoot up every summer, then slither down a bit after, and then climb up in the middle of the winter when the heating bills waft in, and old and poor people who can't afford the hikes begin to freeze and die in their own homes.

 
Someone is shilling for the American petro-brokers, because 'Peak Oil' is a wonderful concept to use to go out and war for "the control" of oil resources. So that a barrel of crude can suddenly jump from $20 to $70 to $100 a barrel, or to two, three or four hundred dollars a barrel, therefore providing exponentially expanding profits for oil companies and oil suppliers who relish the idea of having an "inelastic demand" for their gasoline. 'Peak Oil,' as writer Dave McGowan points out in his priceless Newsletters, which you can find at Educate-Yourself.org, 'Peak Oil' will even drive oil companies like Shell, to attempt to shut down an incredibly profitable facility, like the one it owns in Bakersfield, California,.

Hi Orgonegal,

Many thanks for posting this !!!


Robert.